Have there been public political/medial events/debates over Holodomor as crime or genocide triggered by Russia's aggressions against Ukrainian land? [closed]

The Politicus
Feb 28, 2022 07:22 AM 0 Answers
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Please vote to reopen this question. Searching for public debates and petitions or campaigns about Holodomor after the shown Russian aggressions should be on-topic since there is already a use case from 2019 in Germany for a petition, and there might be more that are too local to be known from outside, also in Ukraine itself of course. How is the topic "Holodomor" pushed in the Ukrainian media and politics since the Crimea and now since the invasion? How is this done in other countries, since they are all part of this question?

As to wikipedia, Holodomor is

  • Considered genocide by 16 countries
  • Considered as a criminal act of Stalin's regime by 6 countries
  • Considered a tragedy or crime against humanity by 5 international organizations
  • Country: Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Soviet Union
    Location: Central and eastern Ukraine
    Period: 1932–1933
  • Total deaths: Around 3.5 million

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Further information on the strong difference between rural and urban population shows that the Holodomor thinned out rural areas.

How to get per 1000 deaths numbers for the 1932-34 Holodomor in Ukraine for the rural areas only, against the less starving town population?

From the maps at that link, it is not clear how many fled and then survived, but did not come back to their farms, perhaps the thinning out happened also by the fleeing of farmers, not only by their deaths.

The overall Holodomor excess deaths per 1000 were:

161.7 (rural, ranging roughly from 100 to 500)
40.4 (town, ranging roughly from 10 to 100)

Ukraine itself has had a lot of Russian influence and immigration over time, but the Russian invasion looks like a part of a long-term plan.

Soviet Russians settled the eastern Ukraine, obviously striving for a corridor from Moscow to the Black Sea, and the Holodomor only happened in Ukraine (wide-spread over the country, not just in the east, perhaps to make it less obvious and to weaken Ukraine, see the table above). It thinned out the Ukrainian rural population, mainly Ukrainian Cossacks, and this led to new space to settle. Mind that the rural population suffered over the whole Ukraine, not in the east, but it was still the area that made sense to be settled from the Russian and White Russian viewpoint.

The corridor, a map from The Russian ‘invasion’ of Ukraine in maps and numbers - Map: Areas of Ukraine where there has been anti-government or pro-Russia separatist movements since March with areas of pro-Russian separatist movements:

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If the Ukrainian Russians themselves behave like it, they perhaps knew about the long-term plan - from the start. No one would say it of course, but it looks like a long-term Russian conspiracy that was covered by each nowadays Ukrainian Russians, without needed public debate on it so that no one would have a proof. It would fit in the ideology of that time of expansion of the strong peoples to push away the weak peoples to the side.

Already the historical events before the Crimea occupation look as if to fulfill a Stalinist and Bolshevik long-term plan of Russian expansion to the Black Sea.
But the events of Crimea and eastern Ukraine might show this plan more clearly and hint at the Holodomor to have been a calculated deed for geostrategic aims from the start since it seems like a tool, it did not just happen for nothing. All of this can be seen from the mere Russian behaviour and wrong historical reasoning of today. And therefore, such political events can change the way the overall history can be seen.

Though the question of the Holodomor is about a historical evaluation, there might also be political reasons that countries did not acknowledge it in some way up to now.

Are there signs that more countries and organizations will see the Holodomor as

  • genocide,
  • criminal act or
  • tragedy or crime against humanity

after the land grabbing in the Ukraine?
Or less formal: is there a chance that the Holodomor is seen in a new light after the separatist movements, Crimea occupation and the Russian invasion?

Answers should be about political debates and petitions. I found something after the Crimea: Ukrainians in Germany gathering 50,000 signatures for Holodomor to be recognized as genocide in 2019 (Germany has not recognized it as genocide).

The German Bundestag. like 23 governments of the other countries of the world, should decide that the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932-1933 was a genocide of the Ukrainian people, caused by Soviet regime under the leadership of Stalin!” says the text of the petition.

And the Ukrainian foreign minister about it:

Friends, our moral obligation before millions of innocent victims of the Holodomor, is for the world to remember them and the tragedy of the Ukrainian people. The world needs to know the truth about the bloody, carnivorous crimes of the Soviet regime, in order to be able to respond to the current manifestations of Stalinism, nurtured by the current Russian authorities

Mind that the Soviet Russian and later Russian immigration in Ukraine was and is an event of taking Ukrainian land. I do not see a reason why this should still be doubted or be seen as speculation since it has already happened and is obvious.

Mind also that against the comments, this question is not about genocide only, since seeing it as a criminal act would be a step as well, and having a strong debate as well. On the whole, just 16 (genocide)+6 (criminal act) countries see it as one of the two at all. A public political or medial discussion about the Holodomor, even without the aim to accept it as one of the two crimes, would already be a possible answer.

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